FTC: Consumer Privacy Comments Concerning Greenberg Research--P954807

PRIVACY CONCERNS AND THE INTERNET

A Focus-Group Study On Public Attitudes

Stanley B. Greenberg, Chairman
Greenberg Research

Research sponsored by:
The Direct Marketing Association
Prepared for the

Federal Trade Commission

May 30, 1997

The Context

The debate about privacy and the Internet is being shaped by major crosscurrents in American society that have little to do with either privacy or the Internet. The crosscurrents involve, not so much constitutional and technological issues, but more what is happening to American families and parental authority in a rapidly changing society. Nearly all the participants in this group project expressed worries about the country’s moral decline and the breakdown of the family. They saw most young people as unguided by moral principles, and, therefore, vulnerable to bad influences. Parents are working longer hours and more jobs and, thus, many are inattentive to their children, leaving them without strong role models. Meanwhile, the participants saw a dangerous world closing in -- violence, bombings, drugs, and sex -- leaving people with fewer and fewer safe places, whether school, neighborhood or the street.

That is the context for this discussion of the Internet. Not surprisingly, parents are deeply worried about this social decay, and they are looking for somebody to impose order. They would like to do it themselves. They would like to take on the responsibility for teaching their children to make the right choices. But parents feel increasingly powerless before this world, and they are looking for help. These crosscurrents are producing genuine worries and frustrations. Indeed, they are producing quite understandable calls for rules and limits and for new tools that will strengthen the hand of the ordinary citizen. Skeptical about both government and business, people are groping for ways to help and protect their own families.

Methodology

To help understand the issues of privacy, data collection, direct marketing and the Internet, the Direct Marketing Association commissioned Greenberg Research to conduct a series of focus groups. This was a very broad and complicated charge and required nine focus groups nationwide, conducted between July 23rd and July 30th, 1996. The groups were separated by gender, family status, education level and computer/Internet experience to ensure homogeneity and to facilitate discussion. The description and location of groups is set out below:

Group one Seattle Women Mothers with children 16 and under  
Group two Seattle Men Young (under age 29) Internet use
Group three Kansas City Women Regular Direct Mail Receivers
Group four Kansas City Men Regular Direct Mail Receivers
Group five Birmingham Women Mothers with children
16 and under
 
Group six Birmingham Men Fathers with children
16 and under
 
Group seven Chicago Women Young (under age 29) Internet use
Group eight Chicago Women Mothers with young children on Internet
Group nine Boston Men Fathers with young children on Internet
Group ten Boston Women Young (under age 29) Internet use

Each group included nine to ten participants and was facilitated by a professional moderator who conducted the discussions in conventional focus-group facilities. The topics covered in these discussions fell into three broad areas: first, traditional direct mail and the collection of data, second, data collection and children, and third, advertising, children and the Internet. This project breaks new ground, providing some of the first public focus group research on the way ordinary Americans are dealing with the Internet. This report on the research, prepared specifically for the Federal Trade Commission, reveals a public with real concerns and a lot of common sense, as it contemplates how best to advance the needs of their families.

A Sense of Proportion

At the very outset of every focus group, we asked whether things in the country were moving in the right direction or whether things were getting seriously off track. The discussion was dominated by worries about crime, violence, drugs and moral decline. People spoke about the family no longer playing its traditional role and children no longer bound by a sense of responsibility and values. Parents seemed almost helpless to ensure that their children would get a good start in life. When they were not talking about the family, they were talking about pressures on the family -- not being able to keep up with the bills and not being able to afford things, like health insurance.

A few people mentioned bomb-making and terrorist groups operating on the Internet. Nobody mentioned privacy issues. So when we broached issues, like direct mail, data collection, lists and the Internet, people expressed views to be sure, including annoyance, but they also offered a sense of proportion. These were not problems on the scale of crime, jobs, and family break down. That sense of proportion proved important when people contemplated the role of government and the role of business and the right balance between them. For many people, issues like direct marketing and list sales did not take on an importance requiring a governmental solution.

In the groups, people understood that data collection and direct marketing by mail are part of a complex and pervasive system that will be difficult to control. Government has a lot to do, many thought, without devoting its resources to regulating something that, in the end, is not that big a problem.

When we asked what people thought of the idea of the government taking action to regulate the selling and giving out of names, the participants met the idea with a chorus of No’s.

Government has enough to do. They can’t take care of what they are doing now. (Male and female regular direct mail receivers)

God, I hope not. (Chicago father with children, Internet access)

I think right now, the collecting of information is so big, I don’t think you can stop it, and what they got stored away in those computers.

Our politicians have made a mess of this country as it stands now. They don’t need to get involved in [mail]. (Male regular direct mail receivers)

Government intervention in the area of traditional direct marketing was viewed as out of proportion to the scope of the issue.

Self-Regulation: Code of Ethics

The participants who were cautious about the government’s capacity to regulate effectively in some areas were often cautious as well about business’ capacity to act effectively and even-handedly. Nonetheless, they were open to initiatives from business. People said there is a need for a watch dog somewhere that sets rules and exposes abuses, particularly because they were reluctant to turn to government in an area better suited to self-regulation.

I think that there has to be a certain watch dog group that is watching certain things. Watching for unscrupulous gathering of information that they really don’t need. Whatever that is, but as far as massive regulations with those things, I don’t. (Chicago online fathers)

Government needs to take care of the problems that exist. People need to get back to taking care of themselves instead of government and lawyers doing it for them. (Female mail receivers)

I don’t think that we ever really have to depend on the government to, and I don’t want them making decisions for my children. I want to make the decisions. (Birmingham mother)

Government has too much to do without getting involved in this.

Can’t handle their own business let alone ours. (Female mail receivers)

The participants in the focus groups constantly grumbled about some of the mail they received, but in the current environment, were more inclined to see business take the lead in improving things.

Collecting Information on Children

The issue of data bases and children elevates the direct marketing issue to a different level and gets it closer to becoming embroiled in the whole issue of parental authority. The problem is not top-of-mind, that is, nobody in the nine groups brought up the problem, even when discussing children’s mail and data bases. People knew there are companies that are trying to sell children’s things, but they were not greatly troubled by that knowledge.

But there is little resistance to the idea that there could be a problem, given the bizarre things that happen to children in our society. Parents believe they cannot be too careful at a time when parents have so little control over their children. The participants were open to regulatory approaches and were relieved that somebody is thinking about the problem.

But amidst those worries, many of the participants expressed a sense of proportion about the threat. This is a potential problem, but bad people have many more effective ways to get to your children:

I guess realistically, I think most actual crimes which would be my worst nightmare would be crimes of opportunity or something [rather] than going down a mailing list. (Seattle mother)

I don’t like it, it doesn’t make me feel comfortable, but it is not likely top priority because they could also get a hold of school directories and they can watch kids walk home from school. I mean people are out there. (Seattle mother)

The discussion of ways to protect children from dangerous people led them back to the original problem -- the social decay and breakdown of the family.

Children and the Internet

The excitement about the unlimited possibilities on the Internet was largely reserved for the younger on-line users, both men and women. These were the people who talked about “looking for a job on it right now”; “It’s progress, it’s technology. You cannot stop it”; “It’s excellent.They spoke of opportunity and growth and resisted the instinct to place controls on it. But that unmixed positive response was not typical of all of our groups. Most of the participants expressed caution, worry, and fear. In the minds of ordinary citizens, particularly parents, the Internet is the new frontier of threats to families, parents and children.

Parents are worried that the world of the Internet is a world without rules, controls, and limits. No one, they thought, is responsible.

Right now, I don’t think there is anybody who’s responsible, and I think that’s one of the major failings of the Internet....

Because it is really wild. Through the Internet right now, you just can’t control that.

We need to be totally careful about the kid’s Internet access. We need to put guidelines and rules about information given out via computer.

I don’t think there is enough control, enough watchdogs over what’s put on the Internet. (Chicago mothers)

It used to be all fun and exciting, but then when you hear about all the pornographic and stuff on there now, it's more like oh God, I'm going up there and I'm going to sit there with them. Don't go there. I think of perverts when I think of it. (Chicago mothers of children with Internet Access)

There should be some control over it. You think about people on the Internet, they were showing how to make bombs when there was that Unabomber thing. Kids don’t need to see those things.

[There] needs to be some kind of group, whether it’s a government group or a business group that controls pornographic material.

I don’t like a lot of government intervention, but some legislation or control that helps parents do their job.

The Internet was seen as uniquely intrusive, capable of reaching into homes in an disarmingly intimate way. When on the Internet, your family is exposed. After viewing a video clip that described the way companies gather information via the Internet, respondents offered the following observations:

[If] in fact they can electronically track every move a child makes then they have an individual that they can market to directly. I don’t know if someone gets ahold of that, it makes me wonder, you know? (Chicago online father)

Don’t give anything out. (Chicago online mother)

That bothers me that once you go Internet, online, you have opened yourself up to anybody at all that wants in on anything. If they can get your numbers, than that is it. (Birmingham mother)

[One] of my only reservations about the Internet is once you are on there you are open to anybody. Anybody can access you and that does bother me.

[In] the olden days, when you would fill out those magazine cards for Newsweek, but when you are on the Internet, God knows who is listening or watching or whatever.

I think it’s our job as adults in society to watch out for them, and it’s different with TV and it’s different with what was done in the past because it’s very, very intimate with them --it’s them alone with the terminal. It’s not just something on TV --something that’s talking back to them.

In this research, parents identified three main problems that crowded out almost all others when presented with a list of ten things that could happen to their children on the Internet. These are listed below in order of importance:

  1. Children having access to indecent material through the Internet
  2. Improper advances to children from someone on the Internet
  3. Personal information being collected from kids on the Internet

The last was mainly about exposure to danger, not to marketing. For example, few of the participants checked “companies gathering information on children” as a problem.

People are simply worried to death that their children are going to be exposed to awful things, unknown to them and outside their control.

It used to be all fun and exciting, but then when you hear about all the pornographic and stuff on there now, it's more like oh God, I'm going up there and I'm going to sit there with them. Don't go there. I think of perverts when I think of it [Internet]. (Chicago mothers of children with Internet Access)

It seems we’re pushing kids into a grown-up world sooner than they need to be there. Let them be kids and not be subjected to all this.

What it is, is you’re exposing your children to things that are out of your control. And if you can limit some of the things that they’re exposed to, because you can’t be with them all the time. But if you’re directly exposed to crime, directly exposed to corruption, directly exposed to this chat line my daughter was on. And she was giving her phone number and address and she was getting letters from other people, I think that’s wrong. (Chicago mothers)

Well, children aren’t as skeptical as adults are. Maybe it is not skeptical, it is realistic. It is hard without scaring them to prepare them for the dangers in just openly giving things out. (Birmingham mother)

Pornography that can be directed to the kids through the Internet can't be controlled at this point. Or the contact that they can have with people that you wouldn't ever let your child talk to. (Seattle Mothers)

As we can see, people can recognize the benefits that accrue to children on the Internet, but because of some of the things that have happened to children today, they are fearful of having no rules and no limits on the Internet. Parents are looking for ways to keep their children safe.

Advertising on the Internet

Advertising on the Internet is not currently seen as a major problem for people. People’s exposure to advertising is relatively new and undeveloped and few people spoke of it as a real problem. At this time, many of the participants had not yet experienced advertising via E-mail, so we might be slightly ahead of the curve. , the topic of advertising on web sites was seen as relatively benign. Indeed, most of our online users were focused on the problem of download time. They were wary of clicking on things that would tie them up, particularly advertising graphics. The participants felt quite comfortable with their ability and power to decide what to read and not read. Thus, their attitude toward advertising barely reached the level of a low-level annoyance: While open-endedly sharing their impressions of the Internet they began to talk about advertising.

Junk mail on the Internet. (Men online users, Seattle)

If you need it, you look for it. If you don’t, you don’t bother looking. (Women online user, Boston)

It seems like it’s become a lot more commercial in the last few years. ... Like when I first started using the Internet it was people putting up web sites to get information out there. And now it seems like more and more of the web sites are someone trying to sell you something. (Male online user, Seattle)

The little button to press isn’t significant. (Women online users, Boston)

When the 19-year-old is on it, don’t they pay for that time that they’re reading all those advertisements? (Chicago mother, child with Internet access)

I’ll be honest. I was looking through all of these pages and I didn’t even see the advertisements. (Women online user, Boston)

Thus, we could find very little worry about advertising directed at children on the Internet.

Creating Rules and Order

The young, online users were very skeptical about the government’s ability to manage the Internet: “It’s too big. As far as I know, it’s not physically possible to regulate the Internet”; “Not the government. The government should not touch the Internet. I think if the government gets involved in the Internet, they’re going to just go way overboard”; “the Internet is growing so rapidly. That’s part of the excitement of the Internet and that the government shouldn’t step in and stop it so that it just kind of fizzles out.(Female online users)

But virtually all the other participants in our groups wanted to see somebody -- anybody-- create some rules and bring order. In the face of nobody addressing the broad range of Internet issues, there was a high receptivity to new government regulations, from indecency to privacy; but there was also a high receptivity to industry initiatives that define legitimate information-collection practices, expand opt-out opportunities and empower parents. People were simply hungry for evidence that somebody was going to bring some order to this dangerous world.

When presented with regulatory initiatives on the Internet, people reacted positively, though still grudgingly about the effectiveness of government:

I hate that it is true, but it is true. I think that while we may feel responsible, I think that with the Internet, as invasive as it is in your home, I think that probably the government, as inefficient as it is, needs to know that they have some legislation in place to protect the children and to limit what is on the Internet. I do believe that. I don’t believe it with the direct marketing mail. I think that you have more control over what is in your mailbox, it is written on a piece of paper. But the Internet is unbelievable. I mean I have gone into it and you can really go into a different world.

Like any industry, the government is going to regulate it to a degree. I think they’d have the basic regulations in place, but I don’t think there needs to be more regulations added to it other than from the standpoint that we regulate it as individuals.

And now the government’s proposing legislation to deal with that, which I think they should, but once they get the legislation in place, then I don’t think it’s up to the government to regulate it. I think it should be up to the businesses itself to regulate and police.

I think that on the Internet, it should fall under the same guidelines as every other FCC regulated industry. It’s a form of communication.... I see no reason why that [FCC regulations] shouldn’t apply to the Internet. (Birmingham fathers)

Well, for kids, definitely something must be done. I think the government should always be looking out for our welfare. So, yes, I think they should look into it. And hopefully, reasonable-minded people would [save the] day, so they won’t totally say, okay, you can only have blue screens with red text. Yeah, go look into it. Figure out what you think isn’t right for our society. (Male online user)

I think a little bit of control is necessary and it helps parents do their job. It just helps us.An ethics committee would be fine. Maybe it is going to have to be the government because of the nature of the Internet. (Chicago mothers)

But people also reacted very positively to the idea of industry and business initiatives that would expand people’s capacity to protect children, create rules and direct their children in the right direction. Indeed, we found the participants looking for ways to control access before we even introduced the concept of parental control software.

I wish there was a parental control key like there is on the cable box. (Chicago online mothers)

You can’t keep it away from them unless they do the block out like the channels. (Mothers with children, Seattle)

When I grew up, we had a certain number of channels that we could watch, and my parents would call my friend’s parents and...they’d say, what television programs are you having over at your house? I don’t want my kid to be watching this. And these are the types of steps, believe it or not, those are the kinds of steps that parents need to take if they don’t want their kids watching R rated movies. You’ve got to take the proper steps to do it. (Male online user)

My kids are younger, 9, 8 and 7, and they are still learning what is okay and what is not okay. And we largely filter, and I don’t have the confidence in the browser. (Chicago, father of children with Internet access)

But then we described parental control software: “Parental control software helps parents control their children’s experience on the Internet. It gives parents the ability to limit the amount of time children spend online and helps them control the times of the day children are allowed to be on the Internet. This software enables parents to restrict access to certain parts of the Internet which they may feel are inappropriate for their children, including certain games or commercial areas. It can also prevent children from sending our their names, addresses, phone numbers and other personal data online.”

It produced a sense of relief that parents could get control of this unknown world. Parental control software created a feeling that parents could be parents again.

Makes you feel more protected. You know there’s limits there. And when the kids start to try to see how much rope they have, you know how much rope they have. (Birmingham fathers)

I think it is wonderful because you are in control. (Birmingham mothers)

Like when you come in and you buy a computer. Now you get your Windows or whatever and it is already built in. It should be there. (Birmingham mothers)

I would feel a lot more comfortable with my child on the computer with that. (Birmingham mothers)

It’s good, absolutely, but it is also telling my kid that it is adding that reinforcement that it is here because there is stuff out there that is bad. That goes along with Mom and Dad have been telling you about what is good and bad, so it continues to build in their mind the value. (Chicago fathers, children with Internet access)

The strong sense of relief that came with the idea of parental control software suggests that people are looking for tools both to manage the new world of the Internet and to protect their families. They are open to initiatives from business and the private sector that show somebody is responsible and that help parents take responsibility for the welfare of their children.